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Post by DJevAL on Sept 19, 2004 20:08:09 GMT
I think its about time now that I brought this up, seeing as more new and different people are turning up to Wildside each time, and the influx of students  will be upon us shortly maybe its time to bring up music policy and what people want to hear, and what they certainly don't want! In fact it was a little inspired by PVCKittens requests hehehe Alongside some truly excellent glam tracks for her birthday shes asked for - Danzig – Dirty Black Summer Sisters of mercy – Temple of Love Ramstien – Du Hast Adam and the Ant – Stand and deliver The Mission – like a child again Rob Zombie – Livin Dead Girl heh! sorry to make an example of you Jue, but your a cheeky minx for asking for RAMSTAIN!  Seriously tho... you know youve heard at WildSide glam pretty much across the board from 70's Bowie and Trex, to 00's Brdes Of Destruction and Velvet Revolver. Ive even played some Marilyn Manson and Placebo. Much to Philppa Motley Chick's chargrin  My opinion is... Id class Wildside more as a 'sleaze' night rather than a glam night. The definition of glam is so silly at times and is as hotly disputed as 'what is punk?'. Is it the sparkly dress and big hair that defines glam? Surely glam is Bowie, Trex et al from the 70s? Whatever. I still like the label glam, and glam is cool so fuck off But 'Sleaze' probably better suits Wildside and doesnt limit us so. Thats why I felt Marilyn Manson tracks like "I Dont Like The Drugs" and "Rock Is Dead" are suitable and fit well. Even "Nancy Boy" by Placebo. Its certainly not Poison, but its sleazy and has plenty of ties with the glam stomp of the 70s. But do YOU, the wonderfull people of Wildside think thats going to far? Would playing The Mission, Sisters Of Mercy and Rob Zombie not only the cross the pink sparkly line, but piss all over it with gothic glee? Does melodic/AOR rock have a place here? What about some of the more metal tracks being played like Judas Priest, Maiden and Helloween? Anyone heard Goldfrapp - Strict Machine? This one got me thinking, what a dirty 70s glam stomp its got to the song, but it has no guitars! No big hair! No solos! No lyrics about fucking groupies and snorting coke of buttocks! But that sleazy vibe... that *could* belong at Wildside.... Are people comfortable and understanding with bands/songs that have never been strictly labelled as 'glam' being played? And in fact, do you think I play too many obvious songs by obvious bands? So hey dont worry, this aint a Spanish Inquisition - I just want some feeback from you lovely folk ;D So be as honest and constructive as possible, we can only improve if we know where we're going wrong  much love, eval x |
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Post by Crube on Sept 20, 2004 9:42:51 GMT
I think that the mix is pretty cool. I have experienced (if that's the right word...) some great tracks, and artists that I hadnt before, and I think you are right with the sleaze tag. I would personally be very wary of changing it too much. Wildside is a top night, always appears to be really busy, and I dont want to see it go down the road Rock Sh!tty (personal opinion only...) went down by trying to appeal to to many different styles. We all have different tastes. Personally I would love to see (hear?) more Maiden, Priest, Gamma Ray, Helloween etc, but I know what I'm in for when I go to Wildside, and I bloody well enjoy it. I dont really like the Placebo / Maralyn Manson tracks, but if they fill up the dance floor, then play em! It gives me a rest! I suppose I'm trying to say, that I love Wildside as it is. The odd track plpayed that is out of kilter with the rest of the night is fine, but pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaasssse not too much |
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Post by bubenhengun on Sept 20, 2004 11:08:59 GMT
i pretty much agree with crube yea some more of the metal tracks can be played but dont over do it the same as with the AOR and melodic stuff....just gives ya chance to have a rest (sorry i mean go to the bar) but the only thing you may have to worry about is the fact that if you do change it to much would some people stop coming??? would the crowd change completely etc etc it could ruin it but a lil change cant make all the difference could it???
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Post by pvckitten on Sept 20, 2004 11:17:47 GMT
it's my birthday and i'll be a cheeky minx if i want to. ;D
Seriously i think that the music played is a good mix of sleezy glam. You could do with playing tracks other than the obvious ones now and again, hence my requests for she goes down by the crue, but generally the night rocks. if it didnt we wouldnt come along! My music tastes spans the whole spectrum of rock & alternative so when i get into a flow of requests i tend to go off on one.
we get loads of requests at the wake for stuff that we wouldnt play, we just have to gently say - ooh sorry we don't play that type of goth here!
right i'd better get back to work before i get told off for playing on the internet! xxx
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Post by Evz on Sept 20, 2004 18:28:55 GMT
Dude, you just knew this was going to happen.... 1) I think 'Sleaze' is an even looser term than 'Glam' so I'm gonna stick with 'Glam' for my two-penneth but feel free to interchange them - LOL. 2) Contrary to popular belief I've got a pretty ecclectic taste in music - so I'm not writing stuff because 'I hate everything but glam'. 3) I'm as guilty as the next of requesting stuff that's got no place @ Wildside AOR - Al - I can't even count the times we've been trying to decide whether Danger Danger are glam or not (I think we decided on 'cock rock' in the end - LOL) the lines certainly are blurred for a lot of those AOR bands. For that reason and as much as it pains me to say it, and as much as it sickens me everytime I see a band like Firehouse on the setlists - I think AOR of some sorts does have a place at Wildside.  Goth -Again lines are blurred I think. Some stuff is obviously goth like London After Midnight or Sisters, but a lot of the Cult stuff is a bit of both. Even though my fave band The 69 Eyes used to be glam I don't think there's any room for the new stuff @ Wildside.  Heavy/Power Metal -Sorry but although bands like Helloween and Iron Maiden did wear spandex back in the 80s they still don't belong at Wildside. You might as well start playing Celtic Frost or Megadeth too because they had some BIG hair!! Other Stuff-OK so Rammstein breath fire and Rob Zombie dresses awesome- but still no glam ties really - more industrial I'd reckon. MM & Placebo are tough ones - certainly a lot of the new MM stuff has a bit of a heavy-glam sound like WASP (I think Tim Skold has a lot to answer for) & Placebo have roots in Bowie & Bolan but I'd still class them as Metal and Indie respectively. Just remember I LIKE all the bands I mentioned (apart from Helloween & AOR maybe - LOL) so it's not becuase I hate that music, it's just I'm talking Wildside here. If too much stuff's thrown in the mix then it becomes a bland 57 varieties night - and I think most of the people that go to WS do so because it IS so specialist - I know I do! Go with your gut-feeling Al, remember they're only requests and as long as you keep turning down that lad who was asking for Slipknot and NIN it's all good. I think a bit more 70s glam thrown in would be cool. I know I always hassle you for more obscure bands and I'd love to hear them - but I know it's not feasible most of the time coz no-one else has heard of them! Let's face it "Sexy Telephone" would probably kill the dancefloor in about 10 seconds. Nice one man - I think you do a cool job but like PVCKitten said a few more different tracks from the people everyone knows. ;D Evz. |
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Post by David on Sept 22, 2004 8:58:41 GMT
Wildside is the best night out in Nottingham. I don't think much needs to change. While I jokingly requested Rammstein while Marilyn Manson and Placebo were being played, I do think it would be out of place, unless they suddenly turned glam of course. I think there is a fine line between some genres, but would expect bands like Danger Danger and Firehouse to be played. After all, they do fill up the dance floor. I don't expect to hear MM or Placebo as even though the songs might just fit, does the actual band? I also think that older Metal should be avoided, unless the place is empty (unlikely) or it is very early and not many people are dancing. Surely there is enough glam to keep the setlist fresh each month without replaying the same stuff all the time.
Wildside is Glam, It's always been Glam and should stay Glam. Going to a more Rock/Metal feel would put you in direct competion with other venues, wherein at the moment you are filling a niche market, which is growing in support from around the coutry month by month.
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Post by lilac on Sept 23, 2004 18:10:18 GMT
I absolutely don't think it should change. I'm going to repeat a lot of what's been said, but here goes.
There is only one night like it for miles. I feel lucky to live in Nottingham cos if I didn't I'd have to travel to it every month. That's the type of loyalty you generate. A generic rock night just wouldn't get that.
I LOVE Rammstein, Rob Zombie, Judas Priest etc. I just don't think they have a place at Wildside. Don't dilute what you have. Try to please everybody and you please nobody. I don't mind an occasional 'wildcard' , especially if a loyal wildsidee has requested it, but it should not be the norm.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAN DON'T MESS WITH THE BEST CLUBNIGHT I'VE BEEN TO SINCE I WAS 20!
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Post by DJevAL on Sept 23, 2004 20:06:08 GMT
Thanks for the excellent and detailed responses guys, muchly appreciated I think I threw you all on the wrong track with what I was saying, I have no intention of 'changing' the night - Im happy with what we're doing so no need to worry! I just wanted to find out what is acceptable and what isnt to people and well youve pretty much confirmed what I already thought. I did find it strange that more and more people are asking for 'metal' tracks each month, perhaps maybe some of the guys who normally go to the Rig whove started filtering across lately want to make it a new home each month and want more Rig style music - ie a mix of metal, glam, classic rock and aor. Personally I should never have to play a Helloween track but a lot of glammies love "I Want Out", its anthemic nature having close ties with a lot of the harder edged glam. I don't think Id play any other track by them, likewise Maiden and Priest... Priest Id only do "Youve Got Another Thing Coming" or "Living After Midnight". Maiden - "Can I Play With Madness" I dont need to explain why those particular tracks, it should make sense - I mean you cant really do Fear Of The Dark or Hallowed Be Thy Name really can you? Rammstein, Sisters Of Mercy and Rob Zombie are a completely no-go. Sorry Jue! Though the people have spoken on here. We should try to find more tracks that crossover and appeal to both 'goths' and 'glammies' - Ritual by Dan Reed and tracks by the Cult are obvious successes. Maybe you and Hayley and Fran can get your heads together on this, but can you really imagine Temple Of Love going down well in Wildside? I might do Dirty Black Summer at the start of the night tho, as that is dirty and dark! But then I want to keep everyone happy, and its a tough job! haha Evz's comments really interested me, hes quite right about the "57 Varieties" and we don't want that. None of us do. On the other hand do people really go because its that specialist? I think its definitely a good chance that they do exactly that, but also the night survives on curious people and general 'rock' fans so there has to be a time where "Living On A Prayer" or "Cherry Pie" is played because thats pretty much the extent of some people's knowledge and theyve been begging for it all night. The self imposed ban on playing either of those songs has been broken a few times now sadly, but getting the mix of well known and never played tracks can be quite a juggling act and I do try and put as much thought into it as possible. Another interesting thing is 'tracks by bands that are suitable for Wildside, but by bands who are not glam'. Marilyn Manson's "I Dont Like The Drugs" or "Rock Is Dead" are brilliant 70s inspired glam stomps however the rest of his stuff is mostly cod industrial-metal and glammies simply despise the guy. Though are we that close minded we could be missing out on a few quality tracks because of the stigma we have about him? Or whoever. Just makes me think that a large number of bands played, for example even Skid Row and Motley Crue have announced on several occasions that they never were a glam band etc Its all labels really. Mostly bullshit. Just enjoy whats good I guess So dont worry - the night IS NOT changing and never will! And I'll trust my gut instincts and judgement as well |
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Post by David on Sept 24, 2004 7:03:32 GMT
I think I threw you all on the wrong track with what I was saying, I have no intention of 'changing' the night You might not have directly said it, but that is what you would be doing if you played more Metal/Industrial songs - you would be changing the night - we all picked up on that straight away. I can put up with Cherry Pie (would prefer Uncle Toms Caboose though) and Living on a Prayer as they are good songs that fit in the crossover area as they could be classed as 'Glam' from a certain perspective. They are also excellent to dance to, which should always be the priority. Even Love Bomb Baby is a good tune to strut your stuff to. I think it is also up to the regulars to come up with new/different bands that Al could play, and supply him with CD's to help him make the night feel fresh, which might introduce people to different bands. Cannot make the October Wildside due to another trip onto the continent for some beer and metal in Rammstein country, however will be requesting a couple of different songs, and will provide the CD's for Al, at the November Wildside, just to put my money where my mouth is, so to speak. And, yes Al, I will copy you Alleycat Scratch and request something from it, in case you were wondering, as I know you want that album. ;D Oh, while we are at it, so to speak - could we ban Def Leppard? It is only Corrine who requests it, and it is just a little bit too . ;D |
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Post by Crube on Sept 24, 2004 7:31:28 GMT
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Post by lilac on Sept 24, 2004 17:56:00 GMT
David, David, David - I thought you'd realise - you can never have too much Sorry David, I'm with Crube on this one.  Anyway, yes, I think we do all understand what you are saying Al, but we still feel it would change the night. To be fair to Al I do think it is a fine line between playing varied tracks and playing some obscure demo from an unknown band briefly together in 1988 for some smart arse who likes to prove thay are 'glammer than thou'. A few more varied album tracks would be good, but I don't think the current mix is far off. Most of my glam is on vinyl but I will see what different (dancable) stuff I can gather together. One more thing. Hanoi Rocks are my favourite band of all time but I'm heartily sick of 'Up Around the Bend'. It's a decent enough song but it's the only Hanoi track ever played at most mainstream rock nights, it's not even their song, and they have done so much better stuff! Oh dear, ending on a moan. That won't do. I  Wildside!  |
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Post by DJevAL on Sept 25, 2004 6:26:23 GMT
*has a mental look/thought of recent Wildside setlists*....
I dont think Ive played Up Around The Bend for a good few months to be honest! But point taken!
You're going to have to live with some obvious tracks Im afraid, altho its easy to play 'rarely heard' stuff its playing rare stuff that people will go "YESSSS!!!!" and dance too. Altho keeping a full dance floor 90% of the 'professional' *cough* DJs in Nottingham will tell you thats the most important thing, I dont mind playing something that will clear it for a song if it means making the night of 1-2 people even tho they dont dance, it's just you dont want that for several songs running!
ALSO! BIG FINAL POINT..... Please dont beg for requests at like 1.30am with half an hour to go please!!! I try to be nice but theres nothing more annoying than that to a DJ! I love you all tho! xxxx mwah! haha
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Post by David on Sept 25, 2004 11:43:38 GMT
ALSO! BIG FINAL POINT..... Please dont beg for requests at like 1.30am with half an hour to go please!!! You are just asking for trouble now, aren't you !! ;D  |
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Post by pvckitten on Sept 25, 2004 11:47:35 GMT
i wouldn't want you to change the night for anything.
Myself, Hayley and Fran don't come along for the odd goth track. We come because we like glam. I may run the Goth night but glam is where my heart lies and always will do. We all love the night which is why month after month we pop along looking like boyfriendless peeps in the corner getting pissed - however, this month the blokes are not escaping the wonders of wildside. NO illness nor pap excuse will get them out of it!
As for cherry pie - it's a classic but Mr rainmaker is better by far!!! ;D
Oh, can anyone confirm if vince neil is on at Rock City?
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Post by Crube on Sept 27, 2004 13:12:19 GMT
i wouldn't want you to change the night for anything. Myself, Hayley and Fran don't come along for the odd goth track. We come because we like glam. I may run the Goth night but glam is where my heart lies and always will do. We all love the night which is why month after month we pop along looking like boyfriendless peeps in the corner getting pissed - however, this month the blokes are not escaping the wonders of wildside. NO illness nor pap excuse will get them out of it! As for cherry pie - it's a classic but Mr rainmaker is better by far!!! ;D Oh, can anyone confirm if vince neil is on at Rock City? I thnk that PVCK has hit the nail on the head for many people, but especially me. I come along cos I love the night. Sure I love other rock music, but I love Wildside, that's why I come, not for the odd track that may not 'fit'. Keep Wildside wild dude!!! PS - just noticed - I'm a Glam God Baby - Yeah!!! |
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